Religion & Spirituality

Today, July 4th, can we take a moment to?

God is Good! asked:


reflect on our Nations history. So many fundy atheists like that treaty of Tripoli.

As they find treaties so important, should we consider these treaties as well, spiritually speaking of course..

U.S. TREATIES MADE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF “GOD” OR “ALMIGHTY GOD”:

MEXICO, 1848:
“In the name of Almighty God:
The United States of America and the United Mexican States. . . ”

MEXICO, 1853:
“In the name of Almighty God:
The Republic of Mexico and the United States of America. . . ”

COLUMBIA, 1824:
“In the name of God, Author and Legislator of the Universe.
The United States of America, and the Republic of Columbia. . . ”

CHILE, 1832:
“In the name of God, Author and Legislator of the Universe.
The United States of America, and the Republic of Chili. . . ”

OTHER U.S. TREATIES WHICH USE THE WORD “GOD” OR “ALMIGHTY GOD”:

In 1787, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams signed a treaty with Morocco titled “Treaty of Peace and Friendship.” This treaty was done under the authority of “Almighty God.” It also said “trusting in God it will remain permanent.”

In 1865, the United States and Morocco with 10 other powers signed a treaty that began this way:
“In the name of the only God! There is no strength nor power but of God.
“His Excellency the President of the United States of America. . . ”

In 1890, the United States along with at least 15 other nations entered into a treaty against the slave trade. The treaty was titled: “General Act For the Repression of the African Slave Trade.” The treaty began this way:
“In the Name of God Almighty.
The President of the United States of America . . . (other nations followed).”

U.S. TREATIES MADE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY:

RUSSIA, 1824:
“In the name of the Most Holy and Indivisible Trinity.
The President of the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias. . .”

RUSSIA, 1832:
“In the name of the Most Holy and indivisible Trinity.
The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias. . .”

PORTUGAL, 1840:
“In the Name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.
The United States of America and Her Most Faithful Majesty the Queen of Portugal. . .”

Paraguay, 1859:
“In the name of the Most Holy Trinity.
The Government of the two Republics, the United States of America and of Paraguay. . .”

COSTA RICA, 1851:
“In the name of the Most Holy Trinity.”

BRAZIL, 1828, 1849:
“In the name of the Most Holy and Invisible Trinity.
The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of Brazil. . . ”

Incredibly, the treaty that the United States entered into in 1783 which ended the Revolutionary War was signed under the authority of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The treaty began this way: “In the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.” The American representatives for the treaty were John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and John Jay, soon to be the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Ok, help me with this Tripoli Treaty stuff, part 2,?

God is Good! asked:


If a treaty which hasnt been active for over 200 years is important, what about these treaties:

U.S. TREATIES MADE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF “GOD” OR “ALMIGHTY GOD”:

MEXICO, 1848:
“In the name of Almighty God:
The United States of America and the United Mexican States. . . ”

MEXICO, 1853:
“In the name of Almighty God:
The Republic of Mexico and the United States of America. . . ”

COLUMBIA, 1824:
“In the name of God, Author and Legislator of the Universe.
The United States of America, and the Republic of Columbia. . . ”

CHILE, 1832:
“In the name of God, Author and Legislator of the Universe.
The United States of America, and the Republic of Chili. . . ”

OTHER U.S. TREATIES WHICH USE THE WORD “GOD” OR “ALMIGHTY GOD”:

In 1787, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams signed a treaty with Morocco titled “Treaty of Peace and Friendship.” This treaty was done under the authority of “Almighty God.” It also said “trusting in God it will remain permanent.”

In 1865, the United States and Morocco with 10 other powers signed a treaty that began this way:
“In the name of the only God! There is no strength nor power but of God.
“His Excellency the President of the United States of America. . . ”

In 1890, the United States along with at least 15 other nations entered into a treaty against the slave trade. The treaty was titled: “General Act For the Repression of the African Slave Trade.” The treaty began this way:
“In the Name of God Almighty.
The President of the United States of America . . . (other nations followed).”

U.S. TREATIES MADE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY:

RUSSIA, 1824:
“In the name of the Most Holy and Indivisible Trinity.
The President of the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias. . .”

RUSSIA, 1832:
“In the name of the Most Holy and indivisible Trinity.
The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias. . .”

PORTUGAL, 1840:
“In the Name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.
The United States of America and Her Most Faithful Majesty the Queen of Portugal. . .”

Paraguay, 1859:
“In the name of the Most Holy Trinity.
The Government of the two Republics, the United States of America and of Paraguay. . .”

COSTA RICA, 1851:
“In the name of the Most Holy Trinity.”

BRAZIL, 1828, 1849:
“In the name of the Most Holy and Invisible Trinity.
The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of Brazil. . . ”
Colette-

Where in the Constitution is the US declared a “Secular Nation”? Be specific please.

Zilla – Please answer this question and I’ll then answer yours. My question, my timing, ty
Colette – Sorry, the abscence of a national religion doesnt make the US a secular country. Ask any meist here, you cannot disprove the negative.
Zilla – So you agree the Tripoli Treaty should not be used as “proof” we are a secularist country?


When atheists cite the Treaty of Tripoli as evidence?

God is Good! asked:


How should these treaties be considered:
U.S. TREATIES MADE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF “GOD” OR “ALMIGHTY GOD”:

MEXICO, 1848:
“In the name of Almighty God:
The United States of America and the United Mexican States. . . ”

MEXICO, 1853:
“In the name of Almighty God:
The Republic of Mexico and the United States of America. . . ”

COLUMBIA, 1824:
“In the name of God, Author and Legislator of the Universe.
The United States of America, and the Republic of Columbia. . . ”

CHILE, 1832:
“In the name of God, Author and Legislator of the Universe.
The United States of America, and the Republic of Chili. . . ”

OTHER U.S. TREATIES WHICH USE THE WORD “GOD” OR “ALMIGHTY GOD”:

In 1787, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams signed a treaty with Morocco titled “Treaty of Peace and Friendship.” This treaty was done under the authority of “Almighty God.” It also said “trusting in God it will remain permanent.”

In 1865, the United States and Morocco with 10 other powers signed a treaty that began this way:
“In the name of the only God! There is no strength nor power but of God.
“His Excellency the President of the United States of America. . . ”

In 1890, the United States along with at least 15 other nations entered into a treaty against the slave trade. The treaty was titled: “General Act For the Repression of the African Slave Trade.” The treaty began this way:
“In the Name of God Almighty.
The President of the United States of America . . . (other nations followed).”

U.S. TREATIES MADE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY:

RUSSIA, 1824:
“In the name of the Most Holy and Indivisible Trinity.
The President of the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias. . .”

RUSSIA, 1832:
“In the name of the Most Holy and indivisible Trinity.
The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias. . .”

PORTUGAL, 1840:
“In the Name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.
The United States of America and Her Most Faithful Majesty the Queen of Portugal. . .”

Paraguay, 1859:
“In the name of the Most Holy Trinity.
The Government of the two Republics, the United States of America and of Paraguay. . .”

COSTA RICA, 1851:
“In the name of the Most Holy Trinity.”

BRAZIL, 1828, 1849:
“In the name of the Most Holy and Invisible Trinity.
The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of Brazil. . . ”

Incredibly, the treaty that the United States entered into in 1783 which ended the Revolutionary War was signed under the authority of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The treaty began this way: “In the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.” The American representatives for the treaty were John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and John Jay, soon to be the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.
witness: 1797: Treaty of Peace and Friendship…………
Richter, So you agree substantial documents exist contradicting that translation in Tripoli. And as these were produced in volumes subsequently then it should be concluded the treaty of tripoli should be dismissed.
Wren, Prove one misquote.


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